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Re:Funimation Sues A.D. Vision, Sentai, Others for US$8 Million 3 weeks, 5 days ago #105275

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I don't recall the section of legal code I read specifying a statute of limitations, but it's most likely rather close to up if it isn't already. The thing is, even if the trial goes past the statute of limitations so long as the paperwork for it was filed before the deadline collection can still be enforced.


What if they argue the clock doesn't start until the Funimation deal was struck with ARMs? The debate over when the clock starts is the part of statute of limitations that matters. Sometimes it's not clear cut.

Even if that is the case, if the statute of limitations is only two years as Neo-ADV claims, it's still past the 2 year mark, since the clock would start from July 2008 putting it at a July 2010 end point.

Now, if it's 4 years, as some posts I've seen would suggest, they're still within the time frame.


And to put it in a nutshell, that is the crux of the issue. Since none of us here seems to know what the statute of limitations is for the case we can't even guess as to when it ends/ended. The more important factor is how long the statute of limitations is, as even a 3 year statute of limitations would've expired around mid-2011 if you go by when the deal between Funimation and ARM was made. As a statute of limitations is always in whole years, and it was the tail end of December 2011 the lawsuit was filed (I think, I don't think it was filed in January 2012) I've got a feeling that the statute of limitations is 4 years, as otherwise it would be thrown out of court before the judge has even given everything a complete initial look through.




Statue of limitations is a defense you make. So unless it's crystal clear the judge may not throw it out immediately. It would be up to ADV and the others to prove that the statue of limitations is truly up, which shouldn't be too hard to do. if that is proven, they cannot be found guilty for the crime.
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Re:Funimation Sues A.D. Vision, Sentai, Others for US$8 Million 3 weeks, 5 days ago #105286

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I was reading some of the ADV v Sojitz documents. As others have said, ADV had at least 3 Sojitz employees working in their office. One was appointed to Chief Strategic Officer of ADV ( Mizushima), Hada assumed the role of CFO, and Ueda assumed the role of business analyst for ADV. ADV claimed "By virtue of the actions of these Defendants, as employees of Sojitz, Sojitz effectively assumed control of ADV, including its day to day operations...Sojitz/JCI/ARM employees analyzed, solicited and substantially directed acquisition of ARM Titles from within ADV while at the same time, under the guise of ARM. Sojitz/JCI/ARM employees approved those acquisitions and the purchase prices of each. Higher purchase prices and a higher ARM balance necessarily increased facility servicing fees ARM charged to ADV and, by extension, the potential profit of ARM under the Agreement and leverage of Sojitz/JCI/ARM over ADV. Despite Sojitz/JCI/ARM 's declaration of ADV's default of the Agreement, Sojitz/JCI/ARM has failed to pay millions of dollars of outstanding balance they agreed to pay to content owners under many of the license agreements as inducement for those content owners entering into agreements with ARM and ADV."

It also says
*Sojitz tried to make a deal with another company when they didn't get paid, they took the lead, and would not let ADV have any say.
*Sojitz made ADV sign off of term-sheets, while stating Sojitz had control over any of these deals being made
*Sojitz made threats saying it would withdraw it's support for ADV if ADV did not agree to the deals Sojitz wanted.
*At the same time ADV was negotiating loan payments with a bank
*The deals "went away and were not consummated"
*ADV could not make the payments to the bank, notified Sojitz of this

So yes, actually. ADV is claiming Sojitz got into this all just to make a quick profit. They did everything they could, including overpaying for titles in order to squeeze every penny they could out of ADV. By overpaying and licensing a lot they were able to charge ADV fees, in addition to geting a large library of shows to then sell.


That's my post on fandom post. I didn't feel like re-typing it here...
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Re:Funimation Sues A.D. Vision, Sentai, Others for US$8 Million 3 weeks, 5 days ago #105376

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Prede wrote:
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I don't recall the section of legal code I read specifying a statute of limitations, but it's most likely rather close to up if it isn't already. The thing is, even if the trial goes past the statute of limitations so long as the paperwork for it was filed before the deadline collection can still be enforced.


What if they argue the clock doesn't start until the Funimation deal was struck with ARMs? The debate over when the clock starts is the part of statute of limitations that matters. Sometimes it's not clear cut.

Even if that is the case, if the statute of limitations is only two years as Neo-ADV claims, it's still past the 2 year mark, since the clock would start from July 2008 putting it at a July 2010 end point.

Now, if it's 4 years, as some posts I've seen would suggest, they're still within the time frame.


And to put it in a nutshell, that is the crux of the issue. Since none of us here seems to know what the statute of limitations is for the case we can't even guess as to when it ends/ended. The more important factor is how long the statute of limitations is, as even a 3 year statute of limitations would've expired around mid-2011 if you go by when the deal between Funimation and ARM was made. As a statute of limitations is always in whole years, and it was the tail end of December 2011 the lawsuit was filed (I think, I don't think it was filed in January 2012) I've got a feeling that the statute of limitations is 4 years, as otherwise it would be thrown out of court before the judge has even given everything a complete initial look through.




Statue of limitations is a defense you make. So unless it's crystal clear the judge may not throw it out immediately. It would be up to ADV and the others to prove that the statue of limitations is truly up, which shouldn't be too hard to do. if that is proven, they cannot be found guilty for the crime.


Although the statutue of limitations is used as a defense in a trial it initially comes up at the pretrial, and the prosecutor has to prove why it either wasn't in effect at the time of the initial filing or why it shouldn't be applied. That argument has to be resolved before the rest of the case even matters, even for just the pretrial.



And thank you Prede for the extra info. That was what I was getting at when I typed it sounded like there was a lot of shady business practices going on, and if it can be proven that something illegal, or at least should be illegal, went on with that it's entirely possible that the entire debt will be declared null and void.

Re:Funimation Sues A.D. Vision, Sentai, Others for US$8 Million 3 weeks, 5 days ago #105380

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Rereading through this thread and the various post that are around I can not for the life of me figure out why Funi would want a jury trial, they are trying to win on technicalities and juries would favor ADV one would think because of all the information.

All I can figure is Funi is maybe trying to merge with Sentai... but that can't be it.

Re:Funimation Sues A.D. Vision, Sentai, Others for US$8 Million 3 weeks, 5 days ago #105389

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I had a thought.

Now this is a most speculative, out in the far left field sort of thing, so feel free to ignore it.

What if this is a pre-emptive act on Funimation's part?

Suppose they had reason to believe that the shell of ADV was going to sue to have the original incredibly-bad + mucked-up deal voided?

Suppose that since Sojitz, and it's allied businesses, no longer exist that Funimation thought they might end up holding the bag if a trial court found the original contracts void and ruled that the licenses and all subsequent earnings belong to the shell of ADV?

The oddly late seeming filing by Funimation might make sense with that assumption.

Anyway, end of speculation for now.

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Re:Funimation Sues A.D. Vision, Sentai, Others for US$8 Million 3 weeks, 4 days ago #105400

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I really doubt that's the case. The guys behind the scenes have moved on since then and want to make a clean break from the past. The deal with Sojitz is not something they really want to revisit. Not to mention that many of those licenses will be expiring in the next year or two and the super cheap SAVE releases that Funi has put out has pretty much robbed them of any value. In fact, Nerima Daikon Brothers is going out of print and I'm sure others will be following shortly.

Plus, if Sentai would attempt to revisit the original contract in court, they would be fighting with Sojitz and they would likely be found liable for any loss of income or property, regardless of who has them now.
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Re:Funimation Sues A.D. Vision, Sentai, Others for US$8 Million 3 weeks, 4 days ago #105437

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mitamaking wrote:


All I can figure is Funi is maybe trying to merge with Sentai... but that can't be it.


no.

Also they want a jury trial because they aim to win on theatrics, not letter of the law. The jury will get bored, fall asleep, nod off, when they go over all the boring business legal mumbo jumbo. Even if they don't, will they really have a good understanding of it? Funimation's lawyers will just try to play everything up, and attempt to win on portraying Sentai/Section 23 as a rebrand of ADV. They'll say ADV rebranded its self to screw off it's creditors and "that's not right...we're owed money!". The law be damned, that's what it looks like, and that's what their lawyer will say over and over. If the jury buys it, they may say "yeh...Sentai should pay ADV's debts" .

Re:Funimation Sues A.D. Vision, Sentai, Others for US$8 Million 3 weeks, 4 days ago #105470

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First the case has to make it past the pretrial, and from a lot of what I've been seeing in others posts it's starting to sound questionable if Funimations lawyers can pull that off or not.

Re:Funimation Sues A.D. Vision, Sentai, Others for US$8 Million 2 weeks, 6 days ago #106093

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Re:Funimation Sues A.D. Vision, Sentai, Others for US$8 Million 1 week, 6 days ago #106638

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I forgot about that article. Remember reading it when it came out. I was so pissed when ADV split up.
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